irishbri74 Posted March 5, 2015 Report Share Posted March 5, 2015 Per HM: @antmasiello: The new ECMWF weeklies are...you guessed it...cold 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamPHLWx Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Week 1: -1 Week 2: 0 (but we're on southern edge of tight gradient) Week 3: -2 Week 4: -2 -EPO/+AO/+NAO forever and ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 So that 75 degree day the gfs promised me is not gonna happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Atleast -1 and -2 is like 47 this time of year, thats fine by me. I'll take some + values in may, then - departures from june to next february. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitchg Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 Atleast -1 and -2 is like 47 this time of year, thats fine by me. I'll take some + values in may, then - departures from june to next february. I hope August is -9, -9, -9, -9. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 cfs weeklies week 1 -1 week 2 -1 week 3 -5 week 4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelsnow Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 I hope August is -9, -9, -9, -9. Would be great for my skyrocketing electric bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSUHazletonWx Posted March 6, 2015 Report Share Posted March 6, 2015 cfs weeklies week 1 -1 week 2 -1 week 3 -5 week 4 0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Are we EVER going to break out of this below normal pattern? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Are we EVER going to break out of this below normal pattern? Hopefully not in July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Does the sv site have the Delmarva cold pool on it too? cfs weeklies week 1 -1 week 2 -1 week 3 -5 week 4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baseball0618 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I used 600 gallons of propane since January 26th! This cold is expensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Does the sv site have the Delmarva cold pool on it too? Yup, they have cold anomalies at the tip of delmarva. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yup, they have cold anomalies at the tip of delmarva. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowwors2 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I used 600 gallons of propane since January 26th! This cold is expensive!Wow..What's your thermostat set at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowwors2 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Why don't we hear about "degree days" any longer... Too confusing to folks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Why don't we hear about "degree days" any longer... Too confusing to folks? Were they ever discussed with the general public much? Always thought they were more of an energy industry thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowwors2 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yes! I recall as a kid they updated us daily on the NOAA weather radio broadcasts With (actual/average) daily and ytd cooling and heating degree days info. This dates back to the 70s/80s... Anyone recall this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherOrNot Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 I hope August is -9, -9, -9, -9. July, not August. August usually starts cooling anyway. Hopefully not in July. YES! The pattern breaker has been set! It ends in July! I used 600 gallons of propane since January 26th! This cold is expensive! Now you're finally understanding some of the nightmare of winter! Last two Jan & Feb between heating fuel, electric, and water (leaving the pipes running for 2 months straight including the water heater) I've been up to over $800/mo! Normal years would be no more than $450 for everything. And that doesn't include all the unexpected emergency repairs to everythiing! Why don't we hear about "degree days" any longer... Too confusing to folks? Very like this. I've wondered what happened to that too, and beyind energy measurement it's, honestly a far more practical measurement overall than daily min/max which is almost worthelss except for tracking records. A day like yesterday that had a low of 5.7 here but a morning high of 32 is a very different day from a day that had a long, late mid day high that went down to 5.7 at night briefly, which is different from a day that had a midnight high then crashed at 2AM and sat in the teens all day going to 5.7. 3 different days with the same min/max but extremely different actual temperature days. Degree days shows that. Min/max does not. It was a good tool that's all but vanished outside industry news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowwors2 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Nice.... Btw... For those who can, if you have a boiler heating your house invest in an indirect hot water heater where the already hot water that runs through your radiators/baseboards is redirected to a domestic hot water holding tank and runs through tubes in the tank to very efficiently heat your hot water!!! I converted from electric hot water several years ago and repaid it within the first year... Awesome and it gives you endless hot water (winter and summer) as the tank only looses 1-2 degrees/24 hours! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
famartin Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Very like this. I've wondered what happened to that too, and beyind energy measurement it's, honestly a far more practical measurement overall than daily min/max which is almost worthelss except for tracking records. A day like yesterday that had a low of 5.7 here but a morning high of 32 is a very different day from a day that had a long, late mid day high that went down to 5.7 at night briefly, which is different from a day that had a midnight high then crashed at 2AM and sat in the teens all day going to 5.7. 3 different days with the same min/max but extremely different actual temperature days. Degree days shows that. Min/max does not. It was a good tool that's all but vanished outside industry news. Actually, degree days do NOT show that. Degree days are simply the daily average (min+max divided by two), with heating degrees being the average subtracted from 65, and cooling degrees being 65 subtracted from the average. All three days you describe would get you the same degree day value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainshadow Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yes! I recall as a kid they updated us daily on the NOAA weather radio broadcasts With (actual/average) daily and ytd cooling and heating degree days info. This dates back to the 70s/80s... Anyone recall this? I remember broadcasting them on NOAA weather radio. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voyager Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Yes! I recall as a kid they updated us daily on the NOAA weather radio broadcasts With (actual/average) daily and ytd cooling and heating degree days info. This dates back to the 70s/80s... Anyone recall this? Yes, and they still do, at least during the morning hours. I have an AM/FM/WX radio in my big truck and usually listen to the forecasts in the morning on my way to my first delivery. They do a daily climate summary which includes: High and low temp for the previous day and departure from normal Heating/cooling degree days (including departures from normal) Previous day's precipitation Yearly and seasonal precipitation and departure from normal Previous day's snowfall (if applicable) Current snow on the ground Yearly and seasonal total snowfall and departures from normal. Average high and low for the current day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeatherOrNot Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Actually, degree days do NOT show that. Degree days are simply the daily average (min+max divided by two), with heating degrees being the average subtracted from 65, and cooling degrees being 65 subtracted from the average. All three days you describe would get you the same degree day value. Really? I always misunderstood them, then. Darn. We seriously need a new system in place which addresses the issues I mentioned. It's rediculous that thiis is the 21st century and we still don't even track real temperatures, as though we don't understand that max and min does not represent the other 22 hours of a day. Even just averaging the hourly. How on earth are we still not addressing the real temperature of the day? It's one of those obvious "how does nobody see this?" kind of problems. Yeah, you couldn't copare against historical data since that data doesn't exist from the past, but that would be as good a reason to not add a better metric as saying we shouldn't measure snow anymore because the old snow measuring techniques were flawed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tombo82685 Posted March 7, 2015 Report Share Posted March 7, 2015 Actually, degree days do NOT show that. Degree days are simply the daily average (min+max divided by two), with heating degrees being the average subtracted from 65, and cooling degrees being 65 subtracted from the average. All three days you describe would get you the same degree day value. DD play a huge role in my industry to because there is a certain amount of degree days where certain pests or when poa seedheads emerge that we have to make chemical sprays for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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